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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13655

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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13661

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Don Jose my dear friend. Sorry to have to take you to task about you writing your book :( :whistle: . Of course, during your lifetime of treasure hunting......adventures.......explorations....etc You, like many others who have come across many many things in their lives, and have written of their discoveries. Where would we be without the historians, scientists, and many others, if they hadn't put pen to paper. It is thru books that most of us have learned. A good example is your very own search for your Tayoper, Also other discoveries that have given us knowledge. It has been thru books that you learned of your discovery.

No my friend, sorry I am not letting you get off that easy, its just a 'cop out' Set your 'ass' down and get writing your story, you owe it to future generations. Hire yourself a ghost writer if you find it difficult to settle down to writing your book. Then all you have to do is to verbally tell your story, and a good writer will set it down for you, all ready to be sent to a publisher. Kanacker you will back me on this won't you? Or will you let our friend Don Jose get off that easy. ;)

Kanacker, I hope all is going well for you, still loving your stories (hmmm another book to be written here me thinks lol) :cheer: . Those storms have taken a terrible toll in the Phillipines, I hope you are all still safe and well. Keep them 'tales' coming Kanacker, they take me away from a rather cold and wet UK and into what sounds like a Paradise. You too have a way with words, maybe you could be Don Jose's ghost writer B)


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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13662

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Hello all.

We are intending to set sail on Monday or Tuesday. back in port for the week end.. You know there are many years in pacific the outside world rarely hears about.

I do have so many stories collected from around the pacific. Not all of course about Treasure. The Pacific was not as proliferated as the Caribbean with pirates and in different eras. Not to say pirates was not about. Just not in the level as Caribbean. Once such trade however was very prolific and that was horrible trade of Black Birding barley one level down from slaving.

The sugar industries to survive need cheap labour in Queensland and Peru. Around the 1860's many coastal sailing vessels started to lose trade to steamships and to extent their useful life many skippers moved into Copra trading, Pearl shell and Sandlewood trading. When those commodities and avenue of income became unprofitable it was islanders became a commodity.

As by mid 1860's as almost all nations have laws against slavery. It was decided labour recruiter the islanders via a government recruiter. It was a sly way to shanghai natives to work the plantations of Queensland signing deals they could not even read. Across the Pacific The Peruvians had a need for labourers in sugar cane also and for diggers of guano on the remote desert islands of Peru. However their methods was even worse than the Australians. There methods was out right slavery. They would just raid islands with almost impunity.

One such Blackbirder became almost legendary among other Black birders. His name was Antonio Franks.

His story became legendary as he became known as the man who cheated the Hangman. The unusual event happened around 1872 when the labour recruiting vessel “Marion Rennie” Was in Fiji ready to collect a shipment of Labourers for the Plantations of Queensland.

The crew was a bunch of rough and hardened labour recruiters from Australia. That had been enjoying some rest and relaxation in port of Suva in Fiji. Drinking and enjoying the company of local women on board. Many of the men on board was drunk and bitter jealousies soon sprang up over some of the more attractive women.

One such drunken argument was between Antonio Franks and his friend Thomas Muir. Antonio shouted “I’ll slit your throat for taking my girl” and Fight broke out between then. Both falling to the deck of focastle in life and death struggle.

In the process of the fight Antonio in white hot anger fatally stabbed his Friend. Thomas Muir died on the deck as his hands slacked off the throat of franks.

Shortly afterwards the local police came on board and took franks in custody. The Body is still buried in Suva today of Thomas Muir. Antonio Franks was tried in June 1872 and convicted of murder and sentenced to be hanged.

A date was set for his execution at 6am on the morning 27th June 1872. As he waited overnight with a priest confessing his sins awaiting approach his date with noose. The priest was informed by the executioner was who was too drunk from the night before and could not be bothered getting out of bed that early so Antonio would have to wait to meet his maker tomorrow.


The Gallows for criminals at the time Suva, Was basicly a chair and hangman’s rope slung off a big branch of a Morton bay fig tree. Incidently people still sit under that tree today in shade blissfully unaware many people was executed there over the years. The more astute will still see the grove marks where the ropes was placed. The tree is right in the centre of Suva.

The rope had been left out in the rain and had expanded making the noose unable to slip easy. However the executioner was such a drunkard, he was too lazy to take it down and left it in rain for a few more days. Eventually realizing it was not going dry. The thick manilla rope had to be dried with a fire.

When the executioner still half drunk from another all night bender. Gee ya think he would of learned his lesson, was satisfied the knot would slip. As the prayers of the priest was finished the noose was placed around Antonio's neck. His hands tied behind his back as he stood on the chair said his last words and how he did not mean to kill his friend. The chair was kicked and Antonio swung left hanging there lifeless.

The crowed watched silently as Antonio swung in the gentle south sea breezes for 3 minutes. Turned away to leave as the Executioner had already gone back to drinking. When the crowed was stunned as Antonio had sprung back to life struggles as he swung got a hand lose and pulled the shonky knot from his neck and half chocking he bellowed “for Gods Sake Do Proper job man. Don't leave me hanging like this?”

The crowed was stunned and one big terror of a man fainted from shock. One of the policeman cut Antonio down. Antonio implored he made peace with my maker “So Finish me but do not torture me. I forgive the black job being done.” The crowd now impressed with his words grew unsettled with the drunken Hangman’s attempt at another go. Caused a near riot.

In the end the local British counsel who was another incompetent drunk said to the prisoner all right you had enough I hope you have learned your lesson. Your pardoned now lets go for a drink down the pub and that blaggard of executioner is paying. And so they did my friends a bewildered prisoner carried in the arms of a stunned crowd several, drunken officials and one totally incompetent executioner.

Antonio franks story became a legend among the black birders as the man who cheated the hangman.

Such is the yarns of the south sea.

Sadly they are being forgotten.

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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13669

Add the story of the unholy trio to them .

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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13675

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Kanacki Said, "Such is the yarns of the south sea. Sadly they are being forgotten."

Think it over, this is another reason for you to assemble a book of short stories of the south seas before they are gone forever. Even if you consider it poorly written it is a hundred times better than being lost forever because it wasn't written at all. I think you would do an awesome job. Tell the stories in your own words and with your own style of story telling. Write them all down as you remember them. Put them together in a book of short stories, legends and tall tales before they are all lost. I'll buy your first copy. Don't forget to autograph it. :woohoo:
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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13677

WFeather, I have been at him for some time now, he keeps throwing the thingie back at me, but he writes far better than I, and has many ' far more fascinating stories to write." Just last night I watching a well done picture on exploration of the 'Espiritu, Asa, Ala' system of caves in N.G. I immediately thought of our friend and intended to ask him to write about it.

No, even this present 6 month cruise has much to write about, especially with Sails and a beautiful, very distracting crew. Pore Crow.

A sequel to the "The cruise of the Snark.' Or one of Jack London's' sailing stories, where they had to sprinkle tacks on the deck at night for protection against piraticai islanders & cannibals, and one where this sharp shooter climbed up into the rigging and successfully repelled a piratical group of islanders only to be eaten by a shark in the end defending his beloved boss..

Soooooo Senora Kanacker, and theothers, get on him with both spurs. Keep picking at him until.
hr does.

One question, does he own the copyrights on his stories for later usage in a book ???


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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13678

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I notice that you have side tracked my post about your own book, and the writing of ??????? You are just putting off what you know, has to be put down on paper.



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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13679

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B) We do be sorry Miss Unicorn. As soon as we bash this guy Kanacki into submission we will return control of the post to you and respectfully admit that we were in error and are embarased with our behaviour and spelling. We will then get back to bashing Don Jose to get on with his writing and share his secret life with the rest of the world. I do appologise M'Lady and accept the shame of stepping on your pretty toes. Please forgive a tired old gheezer of an unacceptable error in shameful judgement.

Don Jose, I am pretty sure if he is telling stories in his own words of tales he heard by word of mouth that it would be acceptable to write the stories as long as he explained that the stories were as he remembered hearing them from locals and story tellers. Then again, I could be totally wrong again. :S

Okay, who has the floor? :woohoo: :laugh:
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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13681

Unicorn---Go to bed, It is 11;30 pm.

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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13682

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:woohoo: Ahoy Sir Don Jose, Unicorn is right about getting you to pen your stories. I am in awe of your travels and discoveries. Just from what I know from on the web I am totally overwhelmed by your accomplishments and adventures. They should not be lost to time and a misplaced pen. ;) I had a friend who was in WW-1 who used to tell me tales of his adventures back in the late 70's. He died before getting them written down but I am trying to write them as I remember them from his accountings.He had been born on a sailing ship anchored in San Francisco Harbor in 1881. At the time I did not know how important someone's life experiences could be and wish I had listened with the idea of puting his stories on paper to preserve them. This man was prospecting in the Austrailian outback with two partners around 1902 and they were ambushed by natives and one was killed and the other two, including my friend, were wounded and barely escaped with their lives. Their pack mules were killed and they lost their gold that they spent two years collecting. Mr. Mike, my friend, said the 6 pack mules were very heavily loaded with gold. He and his friend never tried to go back even to recover their partner's body. I know the approximate location where they started from and where the came out of the outback. He told me of one nugget that none of the three could hold out in front of them with one hand. As hard as that was to believe I never doubted Mr. Mike's story. At that time he was a preacher working with Mexican migrant workers where we lived.
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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13683

G'd morning W Feather. My coffee ready ? - that unicorn only drinks tea - I was referring to things posted in rooms such as this. Tales can certainly be written about,but csn he include in his book data that he has posted on the varios services in internet, such as here in "Treasure Works.".??

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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13684

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TreasureWorks does not hold the copyright on any stories posted here, as long as the information is written in your own words, it is yours to copyright if you so desire.

TreasureWorks does hold a copyright on our own editorial content.
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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13686

Danke mein Herr wrreck diver. gracias, thanks. that was very important. O.K. Kanacker, get to hopping, Crow is too immersed with the beautiful Polynesian sail crew, but he is loaded also.

And white Feather, you too. - fascinating on the Aussie thingie, don't let it die on the vine. pssst, I know a very deserving, honest, gentleman in ole Mexico. Uni, you too, get to cracking. As for the rest of the members and readers, post also. You all have tales to tell, sooooooo

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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13702

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Good Evening one and all. Tis a good job that I have known Don Jose for many years via the internet. I have invited him and his tiger to come and visit us. Maybe when his Tayoper is finally finished they might even make the journey. We have some very good hotels over here as well Don Jose, (whisper) they even serve a good variety of tea, you never know you might even get to like it. :unsure: Come to think of it Starbucks is open over here, as well as speciality coffee shops. It's amazing how far we have progressed. :P

I do have a couple of tales to tell you, although they are not treasure related. But you might find them of some interest, especially if you are a War Veteran. My brother and I were kiddies during the War (no not the great War) :) We lived and still do live slap bang in the middle of the UK, no sea for miles, Our City (Birmingham) was at the heart of producing 'arms' so you can imagine how much we were bombed. One morning after spending a night in an air raid shelter, and after a heavy night of bombing, we finally emerged to a scene of complete devastation all around, even our own home had been hit with an incendiary bomb. Fortunately it was more fire damage than actual bomb damage. As kiddies, as you can imagine, it was just like a big adventure. All of those bombed buildings meant lots of explorations for what could be rescued, also collecting schrapnel, and who could find the biggest piece. Well during our explorations we came across a large bomb. We didn't know about whether it was unexploded or not, we were just interested in looking this 'thing' over. Finally we heard a loud voice calling 'For god's sake' get away from that thing. A neighbour came across and lead us kiddies away. It was an unexploded bomb and a 'darn' big one as well. As you can imagine all hell broke loose, the children were lead away to safety until the bomb disposal team arrived to deal with 'this thing'. Afterward we were told that this particular bomb would have destroyed a large part of what was left of our road.

Have got a couple more 'tales' to tell if its appropriate in this thread.


Take care all. .....Unicorn

p.s. SShhhhhhh Don Jose I won't tell anyone about that secret stash of tea you got, if you don't
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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13703

Sooo Uni, you finally broke the ice with an excellent story, Now WF & WD cut loose.or no OIrish coffee. ya'll just have to drink UK type of tea, or worse, Canadian bk country tea.

the last of the 54/40 bk country tea that was forced upon me was blacker than any coffee that I have ever seen, it needed a ratio of 1 pt tea -> 10 parts of milk./ cream.

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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13709

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Hello my friends

A book is a commercial enterprise to make money. And yet a yarn freely shared here is in spirit of what authors worried about book sails have long since lost. Telling a yarn free of the constraints of commercialism. A story you may still find from an old tramp on the corner trying to remember the best of his years. Or a drunk at the bar for the price of your time. The South Seas my friends marches to her own drumbeat of gentle island rhythms still beating back the tide of western commercialism.

As we journeyed across the pacific and saw the changes even in my life time to the island rhythms there is change. Perhaps there is one thing certain my friends change. Change moves so freely as the wind. As we are in youth like a sapling that bends freely in winds of change but as old man time shines down upon us we become trees solid and determined. Where there was once toes we have roots that hold deep into the earth to claim our past as time as blows past as with the winds of change.

Such is the ongoing change around us what ever the country it is common the winds of change sing to all of us. And even in the remote exotic places of the Pacific this is happening. However the pace of change varies. Polynesia and to a lesser extent Micronesia has changed a little with the times. Melanesia still forgotten is waiting for the winds of change as only a gentle wind blows there in places.

And the winds of change every affects us tropical tramps as once again our plan had changed. After leaving Tonga as group discussion we decide to visit country that very few people have never heard of. Our intended journey of the Drumbeat was to go directly to Palmerston atoll, However the chance to visit one of the most smallest nations on earth with Population of 1200 was too much of lure to not to visit. As Crow put it the island of tears of joy called Nuie.

It turned out to be a hidden jewel of an island where friendliness and happiness is a national pastime
There are two bays where the Drumbeat can find anchorage but for our vessel not safe anchorage as it was at the mercy of the winds and waves. We anchored off shore at some dedicated anchor moorings. Fifty metres from shore as past that there is the endless drop off of the deep blue sea. We are directly opposite the small capital Alofa. So a visit is divided between half the crew on shore half on board as any good sailor knows to have weather eye always watching the wind and waves.A it is important not the to leave the vessel unattended at a precarious mooring so subject to weather conditions.

The Wifi I sending yarn was via Niue yacht Club as the price of 20 dollars year membership. The Welcome was the best I have experienced from a very friendly laid back island. There is veritably no crime the island is well run well kept and you notice a pride in showing off the island to you. Of course My wife and Girls who hula dance was instantly welcomed and as usual coconut radio that a tall ship has arrived with Micronesian dancers.

Once upon a time the islanders would of looked at a tall ship in fear as once the island was raided by Peruvian slavers in 1863 and took 109 islanders away. Today 90 percent of the islanders live overseas. I cannot help wonder how many people yearn for their island paradise? Yet today the remaining islanders carry a grace and charm about them that are totally captivating. Truly an island still swaying the rhythms of Polynesia of old. Not the plastic tourist trap but real laid back paradise where the welcome is warm pure and honest.

So my friends here is tourist promo clip where words fail me.

Nuie

Enjoy my friend as this island is off the tourist radar and truly a fairy land of the south seas of beautiful and gracious people.

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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13710

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B) Awesome video! The island looks like it was caught in time but I fear that the new age of the internet is going to destroy their paradise in short order. There are going to be people moving in and trying to exploit the islanders and the resorces. Once the Japanese whaling fleet sees this they will also zero in on the whales like they have all over the globe. Tourism has ruined more island life than any other disaster. Once someplace is "Discovered" it goes commercial and then is over run with investors and speculators, and yes, tourists to the point of becoming like the places we are trying to get away from. I have been going to Hawaii, Bonaire, Belize and a dozen other out of the way places and have seen the same thing happen to all of them. Even the Florida Keys have gotten so commercial as to destroy the Keys that I grew up on visiting my grand parents and learning to dive back in the late 50's.

There are tourists who think nothing of destroying everything they have come to see. I saw a group of tourists from New York come down to Bonaire and collect over a hundred large starfish and let them lay out on the sand to die so they could take them home as gifts for their friends back home. They were stopped at customs and the starfish were confiscated but the tourists had already done the damage and recieved no punishment or fines. I have seen tourists clean out an entire growth of fan coral because it was pretty and in shallow water where they could wade in and break it off.

I think places like that, that are still pristine should be only acessable by sailboat. People who sail seem to have an appreciation of and a respect for such things. They travel through and leave nothing behind except a small wake.

The locals think that they want progress and the money from tourism but, eventually find out that they are soon priced right out of the place that they love. I have seen a mobile home on a canal in the Keys go for nearly a million dollars. Guess what happened to the people living on the canal alongside the delapadated old trailer that was sold. The land value shot through the roof and taxes went right up with them. The neighbors had to start selling out or lose their homes due to taxes they could not afford. I have seen people who have lived there for several generations forced out due to financial increases in the taxes on property that their great grand parents owned. When you live in a place like that you just do not have the money to fight the big investors and speculators. Sooner or later you will lose everything and be forced into moving away from your ancestrial home. In the long run it just is not worth it but by the time you see it coming it is to late. YOU LOSE! I guarantee that as soon as someone starts investing in land and hotels, marinas and beachfront condos that the price of land and homes will go into orbit and the real island people will be forced out of their homes and lifestyle. :(
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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 6 months ago #13711

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Hello Whitefeather

Never truer word spoken my friend.

Sadly you are right. I hope they do not become the plastic paradise that often follows in the wake of mass tourism. The people on the island do not lock their doors and are very welcoming to everyone. I hope they never get tainted by the trash that comes with mass tourism. Being small and isolated they may just be lucky to keep off the radar.

For me and Crew it was taste of the old Polynesia which is disappearing island by island.

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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 4 months ago #13870

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Its been awhile..'

Some how I managed to forget to post when I was in the cook Islands or did I?. Time in the gentle tropical breeze seems to melt away. The world and its endless troubles just become irrelevant. We had a short stay then hauled ass to Tahiti for Christmas and new year.

I refer to Don Jose if he knows that no Good beach Bum Crow has been posting anything on the matter? His old neck injury Flared up so he was forced to rest a few days and has been playing up with the girls for neck and back massages as of late.

Most of the crew and My wife and I went away for a couple of days leaving Crow with his crook Neck and Two the crew to look after him.

We came back and there he was on his stomach on a massage table on the poop deck being massaged by one of the girls and the other girl feeding him a margarita drink through a straw.. He was giving the royal wave to envious boaties as the sailed past in the marina like if he is royalty.

The old pirate I know hes milking it for all hes worth. When he is fit enough to travel we will sail through the society island onto American Samoa then western Samoa.

But much to his credit he and the girls had the Drumbeat spick and span.

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Re: Some lost treasure tales are true 6 years 4 months ago #13871

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Kanacki. A belated Happy New Year to you and all of your crew. You sound so relaxed and happy, so posting on your computer is probably something least in your thoughts.

As always your posts are great to read, and my envy grows with each one. They bring a deal of sunshine to a rather damp and windy UK. But I do read that the US hasn't escaped bad weather either.

I do think that Don Jose is having a lot of computer problems at the moment, and it sounds as if he is getting very frustrated with it. It's all of those 'girlie' sites he logs onto ;) (kidding) Don Jose ( I think) :whistle: his computer has picked up a virus and he is having trouble getting it sorted. So if he doesn't reply you will know the reason. No doubt he will be back asap. But we all still enjoy reading about your adventures.


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